RUBIO? IRVING? WHAT ABOUT LEONARD?

There are several classic blunders. One of them is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia" and another is "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line," but the least known one is probably "Never bet against the San Antonio Spurs in the draft."

You want a piece of my draft? Bring it on.

On draft night, the Spurs sent George Hill to the Pacers for Kawhi LeonardErazem Lorbek and the 42nd overall pick Davis Bertans. At the time, the ESPN pundits thought it was a questionable move; George Hill is a nice player and San Antonio's point guard depth was an issue (I beleive TJ Ford was not yet a Spur).

The Spurs have a long record of drafting guys that either no one has heard of at the time (Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili) or that no one thought was worth a high pick (DeJuan Blair, George Hill, Tiago Splitter). And year after year, they all turn into good (or amazing) players. And yet, this year, some us were dumb enough to question the Spurs move.

And, surprise, it turns out Kawhi Leonard, through 14 games, looks...well, ****ing amazing, actually:

Raw Stats
  Min WP48 Wins PTS DRB ORB REB AST TO BLK STL PF
Leonard 425 .229 2.0 15.0 6.7 4.0 10.6 1.7 1.4 0.8 2.3 2.3
 
Average SF 356 .099 0.7 18.8 5.7 1.7 7.3 3.2 2.4 0.8 1.6 3.5

 

Shooting Efficiency
  FG% 2FG% 3FG% FT% eFG% TS% FGA 3FGA PPS FTA
Leonard 45.5% 50.5% 26.9% 60.9% 48.4% 50.0% 13.9 2.9 1.08 2.6
 
Average SF 42.3% 45.8% 34.1% 76.2% 47.4% 51.4% 16.4 4.9 1.15 4.3

 

Last week, before the whole Rubio vs. Irving debate, I said I thought that Leonard was just as good but that no one will vote for him. And you can see why; he doesn't have very high scoring totals.  But that's because he deosn't shoot a lot. What's really remarkable about Leonard is:

  • He's an amazing rebounder; so good, in fact, that Popp has actually played him at the 4 some minutes
  • He rarely turns the ball over.
  • He rarely fouls
  • He gets a lot of steals

In other words, he seems to be the prototypical Poppovich player; a great defender who goes after the ball hard and shoots efficiently without dominating the ball. His free throw shooting is probably the only part of his game one could complain about right now.

And this brings us to another point that often gets lost: in basketball, NOT doing something can be a very important a skill. Too often, people disparage players who don't do things. It turns out, in the NBA, it's hard not to take bad shots. The defenders are fast, tall, and strong -- they're generally speaking good at forcing players to take bad shots. It's hard not to foul -- the ball handlers are quick and athletic, the post players have good moves and footwork, they're generally pretty good at drawing fouls. And it's hard not to turn the ball over: guards have fast hands, wing players are quick to jump into passing lanes, and big men bang around under the basket a lot and make it hard to hold on to the ball. Yet players who don't do these things almost never get any credit for it; instead it's usually shrugged off as if it's no big deal.  But it is a big deal, otherwise all the players would hit more of their shots, and games would have fewer free throws and fewer steals and turnovers!

OK, before the usual shit-storm ensues let me say that I wouldn't really pick Leonard over Irving or Rubio if I were starting a new team (cause, you know, "potential", as much as I hate that word, is a factor, and both are very young and playing arguably the most difficult position well) , but you know we don't call it the "Player Most Likely to Be a Superstar Later" award, and Leonard is putting up a very strong case that he should be in the conversation for best rookie (even though we know he won't win it).

Or maybe I am just embarassed that Rubio decided to shoot 1-of-11 on Saturday and that Irving had 7 turnovers with only 2 assists on Sunday. Great timing, guys, thanks for that.

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lovethoseknicks

I was just thinking the same thing the other day. It looks like another brilliant move by the Spurs. On another note. I was curious where you are getting your "position played" assignments for the players. Positional adjustments are important to WP. Being classified at the wrong position can have a significant impact on your rating. The vast majority look correct, but I did see a couple that I think might be off. Danilo Gallinari is classified as a PF when he's really a SF. He probably gets some minutes at PF for some match ups , but he's usually guarding other SFs.

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EvanZ

"It turns out, in the NBA, it's hard not to take bad shots." Is it? Maybe you're right. Lou Amundson took 32 shots the other night. Oh, wait. He didn't. Must be a WP All-Star.

485 days ago

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Patrick Minton

LTK, my position data comes from Yahoo. Interestingly enough, I thought the same thing about Gallo, but almost all Nuggets fans tell me is logging a ton of minutes at PF (I actually wrote an article about how stupid this is from Karl, given that they drafted Faried).

485 days ago

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Patrick Minton

Evan, You are seriously the ****ing master of the strawman argument. Yes, clearly, what I actually wrote was "The only factor that has any bearing whatsoever on WP is how many bad shots you take."

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EvanZ

Here's the question, though. If a player who can't shoot efficiently is doing his team a service by not shooting, is it fair to criticize players who take those other player's shots for them? Let's say you don't want Carmelo to take as many shots as he does. Admittedly, he is probably taking a few too many. But then again, do people want Iman Shumpert (47.3% TS) taking those shots? Or Landry Fields (50.6% TS)? Somebody is always going to have to take some bad shots, so why doesn't everyone take an equal percentage of them? Don't you think there's a reason coaches ask some players to take more shots than others?

485 days ago

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Patrick Minton

The argument that "someone has to take the bad shots" is an old one that I have never bought into. He had plenty of good shooters around him in Denver last year but that didn't stop him from shooting lots of bad shots, did it? Maybe he should be spending more of his vaunted offensive skillset creating easy shots for Chandler or Balkman? The Mav's got Chandler about 50% more FGAs last year than the Knicks are getting him.

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Matt

"in basketball, NOT doing something can be a very important a skill. Too often, people disparage players who don't do things. It turns out, in the NBA, it's hard not to take bad shots." It's kind of amazing how often this is denied. It's not like it takes an understanding of advanced NBA statistics to get that shooting poorly and often is bad -- bad shots are essentially gifts to the other team, perhaps not as bad as turnovers, but bad nonetheless. And yet the conventional wisdom is that you just need someone on the team to take lots of shots, regardless of whether or not they actually go in. This is the most basic element of evaluating offense in basketball, and yet so many deny it. I really think this is the "clogging the bases" of basketball. It's the perfect evaluator of whether or not someone "gets it."

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"Somebody is always going to have to take some bad shots, so why doesn't everyone take an equal percentage of them?" ... late in the shot clock, yes, but early? Np team needs that surely?

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EvanZ

Carmelo had plenty of good shooters around him last year? Let's see. Arron Afflalo who shot 62% TS on 14.8% USG. This season he's shooting 54% TS on 18.3% USG. Chauncey Billups shot 63.4% TS on 21.4% USG last season in Denver. This season he's shooting 53.5% TS on 24.8% USG. Ty Lawson shot 59.3% TS on 19.6% USG. This season he's shooting 54.3% TS on 12.8% USG. Nene shot 65.7% TS (!!!) on 18.8% USG. This season he's shooting 53.7% TS on 22.3% USG. Interesting. Maybe all these great shooters are having down years. Or maybe it's that "slight" increase in USG that Berri says doesn't matter. Or maybe it's not having Carmelo draw defensive pressure so guys have open shots. Who knows. But yeah, Melo had plenty of great shooters around him. Just like he does now.

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EvanZ

Also, don't get me wrong. I love me some Kawhi Leonard. I thought it was a huge mistake that the Warriors passed on him.

484 days ago

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Patrick Minton

Evan, are you seriously, really, going to argue that this year's 15-game sample is more likely to reflect those player's shooting prowess than last year's 82-game sample? And you're going to argue that the reason is the absence of Carmelo, even thought that 82 game sample includes more than 15 games where Carmelo didn't play with them? You've got to be trolling.

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EvanZ

Patrick, 15 games for one player is not a big sample. 15 games for 5 players is quite a bit bigger. But fair enough, we'll re-visit this later in the season. Or I will, at least.

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EvanZ

(I'll kindly look past the fact that you wrote a post about 3 rookies with fewer than 15 games played.)

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Jason Winthrop

Evanz have you considered that FG% is down this lockout year for the entire NBA? Is it possible that the drop in TS% is in line with the league wide drop? Has this been analysed? I think the differences are too great to be due to "only" lockout year but how much has this perhaps influenced the drop?

483 days ago

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EvanZ

Jason, that's a good point. TS% is down league wide from 54.2% to 52.1% (hoopdata). I don't think that accounts for all of the difference, but certainly some of it.

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Andres Alvarez

Wow, Evan's usage for comments on this post is almost as high as Monta Elli's usage. . .

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EvanZ

No, it's a bit higher, Dre. ;)

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