YOU'RE GONNA BE SURPRISED: THE NETS

Instead of doing a season preview for every team in the league*, I plan to do a few articles this year on a few teams that I think are going to surprise a lot of folks. Unfortunately, the surprise isn't always going to be a good one. This is going to be the case for the Brooklyn Nets, who have used the words 'contender' and 'championship' a lot. I think those fans/analysts are going to be disappointed surprised.

This isn't going to help.

Let's take a look at the Nets' roster so far:

  Min WP48 Wins PTS DRB ORB REB AST TO BLK STL PF
Childress 491 .219 2.2 9.8 6.3 3.0 9.3 3.3 0.9 0.6 1.4 3.7
Evans 771 .192 3.1 6.5 10.6 6.2 16.9 1.1 2.7 0.4 1.9 7.3
Humphries 2159 .180 8.1 19.0 10.0 5.2 15.1 2.0 2.6 1.6 1.1 3.8
Wallace 2076 .172 7.4 18.5 6.9 2.0 8.9 3.8 2.6 0.8 2.0 3.4
Johnson 2127 .122 5.4 25.5 3.8 1.2 5.0 5.2 2.6 0.3 1.1 1.7
Williams 1995 .060 2.5 27.8 3.8 0.6 4.4 11.6 5.3 0.5 1.6 2.9
Stackhouse 272 .035 0.2 19.1 3.0 1.1 4.1 2.5 2.3 0.5 1.8 2.1
Brooks 1648 .029 1.0 20.6 3.8 2.0 5.8 3.8 3.4 0.4 1.5 3.4
Watson 1159 .027 0.6 19.6 3.5 0.9 4.3 8.3 4.0 0.3 1.9 4.3
Bogans 94 -.030 -0.1 10.7 3.1 2.6 5.6 1.5 1.5 0.0 1.0 7.7
Lopez 136 -.077 -0.2 33.9 3.5 2.8 6.4 2.1 2.1 1.4 0.4 2.8
Blatche 626 -.106 -1.4 16.9 8.3 3.2 11.5 2.1 2.8 1.3 1.5 4.1
Average PG 1304 .099 2.7 19.4 3.9 0.9 4.8 8.3 3.5 0.4 1.9 3.4
Average SF 1326 .099 2.7 19.5 5.8 1.6 7.4 3.4 2.5 0.8 1.6 3.4
Average C 1141 .099 2.4 17.9 9.0 4.2 13.2 2.3 2.7 2.0 1.3 4.8
Average PF 1307 .099 2.7 19.6 7.9 3.6 11.5 2.4 2.4 1.6 1.3 4.5
Average SG 1229 .099 2.5 20.2 4.5 1.1 5.5 4.2 2.7 0.4 1.5 3.1

This ignores the Nets rookies, who can always radically change the picture. Immediately, I see the Nets have three huge problems:

  • Two of their best players, Childress and Evans, won't play heavy minutes.
  • The Nets have employed some very terrible veterans. 
  • Their starting center is, at best, an average offensive talent and defensive sieve, and at worst, a defensive sieve who takes a load of really bad shots and cripples the offense.

Evans won't play much because he's behind Humphries in the rotation, and Childress' minutes will be limited by being behind Gerald Wallace. In other words, although both are good players, they won't produce a lot of wins. And both have a long, long history of being under-utilized by various coaches. It's hard to see Avery "I-don't-need-my-best-rebounder-to-beat-Golden-State" Johnson bucking this trend.

As for the "veterans" this team has added, Stackhouse is ancient, and even when he was young, he wasn't very good (except at taking shots). Blatche may be biologically, emotionally, and mentally young but he's got 7 years of being awful at basketball under his belt -- I have no idea whatsoever why anyone thinks that trend would reverse itself. He may not make it through training camp, but the prospect that he might be kept over one of the rookies should honestly scare the hell out of Nets fans. C.J. Watson's best years were his early ones (where he was average) and the last two have been much worse. Bogans is likely the best in the bunch but he's getting on in years, and sat out a lot of last year.

Finally, we have Lopez, whom I have already written about, at the center position. Here's a funny thing about the NBA: if you want to contend, you usually need a dominant big man. And dominating defensively is often just as important as offensively. Those who have bucked this trend usually had other players who played the role for him (Hello, Dennis Rodman. Hi there, LeBron James). And it's not just that Lopez isn't dominant -- he's actually quite bad at most of the things that centers are supposed to be good at. Ask Toronto how it's worked out for them, playing a guy who can't rebound at the center position. Even if I buy the argument that 2010-11 was an off year, and he'll be better this year, "better" still isn't going to make him "good". And for the record, I don't buy this argument at all; players coming off injuries like this almost always have off years. Why on earth should I believe that Lopez will be better at returning from an injury than, say, Tyson Chandler?

There is also question/problem 3(b), which is: "Which Deron Williams will show up next year?" I kind of expect Williams to return to his all-star levels, but frankly that just isn't going to be enough (and, once again, I'll point out that it is troubling that most people didn't seem to notice that he wasn't very good last year, where he declined in almost every category but point totals). The Nets won at an 82-game pace of 27 games last year. Anyone who expects that these off-season moves were enough to produce 25-30 more wins is frankly just overrating Joe Johnson, Brook Lopez and getting a full season from Gerald Wallace.

Instead, I expect the Nets to hover around the 7th-8th seed, and possibly even fight to make the playoffs at all (if Deron Williams does not return to form, they won't). And I wonder if that will be good enough to keep Avery Johnson his job, given the lofty (and unrealistic) expecations around this team. Then again, maybe one of the rookies will be shockingly good! Of course, even if that happens, none of them is likely to take minutes from Lopez so...yeah.

I'm sure Vivek is going to give me some grief about this prediction, but he'll just have to bookmark this post in case I'm wrong so he can wave it at me later. And if you disagree, feel free to post about it here so I can mock you in 6 months!

 

 

*Given how often I have been writing lately, you knew that wasn't going to happen anyway, right?

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Jon C

I know the WP analysis of Euros is hard, but it seems that any analysis of the Nets without mentioning Teletovic is deficient. Just saying you are ignoring the Nets rookies is a bit too dismissive when one of those "rookies" is a legit star from another professional league. He should at least be acknowledged as a wildcard. Other than that, I agree the "contender" stuff is getting a little overblown. I'm hoping (and actually expecting) that the playoffs are a lock though. Maybe that isn't too different from your prediction. But I think 7th seed is the floor with 5th or 4th seed a legit possibility.
I also believe the Nets will play with much more energy and commitment this year than they did in their last "lame duck" year. Trying makes a big difference in basketball. It could inspire better performances from lots of players, including, hopefully, Lopez.

234 days ago

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Al S

I am a Nets fan, and I agree that it seems likely that folks predicting "contender" or "championship" for the Nets will be disappointed. I think they'll win about 45 games. Which is an improvement for a team that hasn't even sniffed the playoffs in years.

That said, I don't think Deron has to "return to form" for the Nets to make the playoffs. That is - he doesn't need to return to the >.200 WP48 he was in 2010, when he produced 12 wins. He just needs to be at least average (which he wasn't last year), and the other players need to play to their recent form. Here's how I got to 45 wins:
-- Wallace and Humphries create 10 wins each (what they did the last 2 years)
-- Deron and JJ create 6 or 7 wins each (which is what an about average starter playing big minutes creates)
-- Evans and Childress create 3 wins each (again, about what they did over the last 2 years)
-- Brook Lopez, MarShon Brooks, Mirza Teletovic and CJ Watson create 1-2 wins each

I don't think this is an overly optimistic scenario for the Nets, especially considering it pegs Deron at average.

234 days ago

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Al S

BTW, I think if you want to look at surprise teams, you should look at the Knicks. Most commentators have them in the same group as the Nets, Philly, Boston, etc. - winning in the mid-40s. And if you follow WoW, you might overlook them because their supposed top players are Melo and Stat, who WoW hate. But look at the rest of their roster - it is really good. I think they will win in the high 50s, maybe even get 60 wins.

234 days ago

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Shawn Furyan

-Al S

Yeah, the Knicks are hard to predict. If they envision Felton and J.R. Smith as 6th-7th men, then they will probably be good. If they somehow see Felton as the starter, and Kidd as a player-coach/20-mpg guy, and Brewer as a cheap backup to J.R. Smith, then they may under perform. I don't expect Kidd not to get starter's minutes, but crazier things have happened in the NBA.

Did a quick sanity check on the Felton/Kidd thing, and Frank Isola says Via Twitter:
"Mike Woodson says Raymond Felton is his starting shooting guard

That is point guard for Felton…I apologize to J.R. Smith"

So, in one fell swoop, this seems to imply that Felton and Smith are going to start. We'll see how that works out (if this tweet has any merit, that is).

234 days ago

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Shawn Furyan

Actually, come to think of it, attributing the "Brewer is a cheap backup to JR Smith" mentality to the Knicks management/coaches mentality makes the Landry Fields dump make a lot more sense. If they valued Smith more highly than Landry Fields due to his marginally higher PPG, then they probably thought it would be easier to swing starting JR Smith by moving Fields, and bringing in a player like Brewer, who they probably see as a drop-in replacement for Fields, since they are both seen as low-scoring, big defensive Guards, and who is cheaper anyway. Brewer doesn't have the fan-base in New York that Fields did, so nobody will really complain about Smith being started over Brewer (though you might still get some complaints about the Fields trade, but there hasn't seemed to be all that much backlash, even though Fields seemed to me to be a fan favorite in in New York).

234 days ago

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Al S

I think Brewer will get also get a few minutes at backup SF, so might end up with, say, 20-22 MPG. JR Smith and Felton will probably both be average. So you would have a backcourt of 2 great players and 2 average players (not including Prigioni or the injured Iman Shmupert). That's pretty good. And of course they still have the great Tyson Chandler and Marcus Camby up front with the average Melo, Stat and Steve Novak. Again, 2 great players and 3 average players is pretty darn good.

234 days ago

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Patrick Minton

Al S,

I tend to agree with your 45 win prognosis. That puts them at around the 8th seed. And I think a lot of pundits are going to be thinking that the 8th seed is "disappointing".

But you aren't accounting for the very real possibility that a player like Lopez produces losses (negative WP).

Jon,

I didn't account for rookies or euros because frankly, trying to be in the business of predicting how they will perform is a fool's errand. If I predict that some are really good, I could be wrong. If I predict that some will be really bad, I could be wrong. The truth is that if I simply ignore them altogether than, probabilistically, I'll be right just as often as if I make a prediction one way or the other about how good they are.

234 days ago

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Patrick Minton

And Al,

The Knicks are on my list. We at WoW don't overlook them. The real issue with them will be who gets the minutes, and at what position? The acquisition of Camby actually has unintended consequences in that it further reduces the minutes Melo can play at PF, where he's actually quite good.

234 days ago

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Al S

Patrick - the East is going to be interesting this year, because I don't think 45 wins will be an 8 seed. It may in fact be a 4 seed.

Also, I think it will be difficult for Lopez to play worse than his 2010-11 season, when his WP48 was essentially zero. Not impossible, but difficult. In any event, I project him for 1.5 wins this year, so even if he is -1 wins, it's not a huge difference.

234 days ago

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Jon C

Okay, I get the theory about not predicting Euros and rookies because it is too hard. But I still think a mention of Teletovic was warranted.

As for the Knicks (my other hometown team), it seemed like a slam dunk that Felton and Smith would be the starting backcourt. Kidd might play crucial minutes down the stretch in games and also pair with Felton because Kidd can guard 2s. Now with Wallace and Kurt Thomas there is even less chance that Melo will play PF, which I'm sure he is happy with, but probably hurts the team.

Frankly, I for one am excited about seeing the Knicks. Watching that team will be like getting a "two-fer". First you watch an NBA team, and then you get to watch a "Legends Team" with players you remember from your youth. It will be totally cool. And I don't even have to go to China to watch the old guys. They are playing right in Madison Square Garden. Frankly, I'm surprised the Knicks didn't try to get Stackhouse. I guess Iverson is still available.

234 days ago

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Xavier Quach

Al S, everything I've read so far has basically anointed Andray Blatche as the backup center. Seeing as the Nets don't have non-rookie backup besides him, I'd say this is probably true. Negative win producer. I tend to figure rookies at .050 WP48, which is around the average. Assuming Lopez plays around 3000 minutes and nets zero WP, that only leaves 900 minutes at backup center to actually crank out any wins. Assuming they split the minutes evenly, Blatche and Teletovic will net a negative half win. That's average case, not best or worst case. Yes, Teletovic might be above average. But Tiago Splitter was the best foreign prospect when he came over, and it took him a couple of years to get his legs under him.

I think 45 wins is unrealistic when a 5th of your lineup isn't producing. That would assume 11 wins each from the other positions. The entire starting lineup just got paid, so the Nets will be biased to play them a lot to prove they were worth it. And Brooks is their rising "star", so there's no chance Childress will take his minutes.

And I find it difficult to believe Williams will return to form. It's been shown in the WoW network that Utah has a sizeable homecourt advantage, which Deron will no longer benefit from. At best I think a .160 and 10WP. At best.

232 days ago


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